The Guardian Calls for WWIII.
Sure, Why Not?
Oxford professor Timothy Garton Ash seems keen on a very, very hot war.
Okay, but who is going to fight it?
Certainly not Timothy Garton Ash
"sometimes only guns can stop guns" - are you volunteering, Tim?Since the beginning of time, television pundits and other serious thinkers have beckoned the young to die or lose limbs in pointless, illegal wars.
Just in the last 15 years alone, our groomed foreign policy experts and think tank fellows have made compelling cases for armed humanitarian interventions in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and about a half dozen other defenseless nations desperately in need of drone strikes or some other form of Western aid.
Some might think this ancient practice of the privileged few urging everyone else to perish for nothing is outdated—maybe even harmful.
Perhaps. But tradition is very important in the United Kingdom. Well-placed sources tell us that wooden mallet-spankings at Eton College are just as regular as they were 100 years ago.
We are beginning to drift into less savory subjects, so let us return to the main agenda item: Writing in The Guardian, Oxford historian Timothy Garton Ash has demanded more weapons for Ukraine, and more hostile, Draconian measures levied against Russia. Why? Because Putin is a maniac and "sometimes only guns can stop guns."
This all makes perfect sense, except...Who's supposed to use these guns to fight Putin's invisible Russian army? The Ukrainians? They don't want them. Ukraine's Ministry of Defense says that in the latest mobilization, only 20% of those called up for service reported for duty. More than one million Ukrainian men of military age are now refugees in Russia. Mothers don't want to send their sons to die in a pointless war against an enemy that doesn't exist, and who could blame them?
Maybe Ash will answer the call to arms? He certainly seems confident in Ukraine's current leadership, as one of his delightful anecdotes shows:
Last year a Russianist of my acquaintance was sitting naked and at ease in the hot tub with a friend of his in Moscow after several vodkas, as is the Russian custom, when this highly educated Russian asked: “So tell me, honestly, why do you support the fascists in Kiev?”
Ash doesn't answer the question, because he's an Oxford professor and he can't be bothered with questions.
The fact that the current government in Kiev is authoritarian at its core and has neo-Nazi and extremist elements is not even disputed anymore. Now it's just a matter of "how" fascist the government is. A little bit fascist, somewhat fascist, or very very fascist? This is what scholarly circles are now discussing.
The rest of the article—comparing Putin to Slobodan Milošević, for example—is not particularly creative. But a real pearl of wisdom comes at the end of his piece:
We need to counter [Russian] propaganda not with lies of our own but with reliable information and a scrupulously presented array of different views. No one is better placed to do this than the BBC.
Of course, the entire piece is bold-faced garbage since it's based on the completely baseless notion that Russia has invaded Ukraine. But that won't stop Ash from cheering for further violence and hostilities—which could easily lead to a real war between Russia and NATO.
As Mark Twain warned long ago:
The loud little handful--as usual--will shout for the war. The pulpit will--warily and cautiously--object--at first; the great, big, dull bulk of the nation will rub its sleepy eyes and try to make out why there should be a war, and will say, earnestly and indignantly, 'It is unjust and dishonorable, and there is no necessity for it.' Then the handful will shout louder. A few fair men on the other side will argue and reason against the war with speech and pen, and at first will have a hearing and be applauded; but it will not last long; those others will outshout them, and presently the anti-war audiences will thin out and lose popularity. Before long you will see this curious thing: the speakers stoned from the platform, and free speech strangled by hordes of furious men who in their secret hearts are still at one with those stoned speakers--as earlier--but do not dare say so. And now the whole nation--pulpit and all--will take up the war-cry, and shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures to open his mouth; and presently such mouths will cease to open. Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception.
We can't allow this to happen.
P.S. - Isn't The Guardian supposed to be a hippie paper?
Timothy Garton Ash
Stop Putin doing a Milosevic in Ukraine. Sanctions, diplomacy, broadcasting, defensive arms: http://bit.ly/1tRxhzi #RussiainvadedUkraine
- @fromTGA Reminiscent of the worst Goebbelsian lies & propaganda, you are either extremely badly informed or a cynical liar
- @fromTGA @andersostlund and officer Training
- @fromTGA @andersostlund Why not start fight with Putin political methods? With the reorganization of the UN and its expuls from the UN SC?
- @w_nicht @medialens @fromTGA Seriously misguided view. UK can choose both and fight for what is right. Stop being such an exteremest.
- @fromTGA Thanks for the article - the situation is unfortunately desperate. Once again the US is the only country that might be able to help
- @fromTGA you're a degenerate bourgeois gammon-peddler, Garton-Ash
- @fromTGA Oh, POO is much worse then Milosevic. He's even worse then Hitler. All world is in danger because of him!
- @fromTGA US/NATO must be stopped. It's the aggressor, moving East, looting and killing. Why are you supporting Banderist Fascists?
- .@fromTGA Historian,are you?Is it why you published your warmongering article on 72nd anniversary of victory in the Battle of #Stalingrad?
- @fromTGA SHUT UP YOU BLOODY WAR MONGERING MANIAC - UKraine was always a divided country reflected in election results- Tomyshenko and Yanuk-
- @fromTGA read some Naom Chomsky you pygmy !Kosovo war trumped up by west to colonize
- @fromTGA 'Germany will not support Ukraine with weapons. this conflict cannot be solved by military means' ─► http://dailym.ai/1EAy37H
- @fromTGA how dare you even compare Pres Putin with Miloshevic -
- @fromTGA He's done nothing of the sort. The public are sick of this bullshit Propaganda from Warmongers like you.
- @fromTGA @andersostlund good piece. Replies here show Russia needs proper denazification.
- @fromTGA you're delusional , seriously, you're supposed to report facts, not make things up then call it news, people like you cause wars.
- @fromTGA USA annexed Phillipnes- no referendum, USA invades contries- annual basis implants military bases - UNACKNOWLEDGED ONE In BAGDAD
- @fromTGA an idiotic article but nevertheless, I would fight for your right to write idiotic articles
- @fromTGA Croat explains how Wikipedia in Croatian favours extreme right, almost led to its closure by global Wiki: http://www.lupiga.com/vijesti/razotkrivanje-sramotne-hrvatske-wikipedije … …
- @fromTGA - Timothy Says ..He Will Be Volunteering To Fight . However First ..He Must Finish A Rather Delightful Sage-and-Anchovy Canapé -
- @fromTGA @CIA CIA victim:“What inspired him is life and the love that makes it,” El Salvador’s slain Archb Romero http://bbc.in/1CpD16E
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TEAANDSCONES666 Putin must be stopped. And sometimes only guns can stop guns
Vladimir Putin is the Slobodan Milošević of the former Soviet Union: as bad, but bigger. Behind a smokescreen of lies he has renewed his drive to carve out a puppet para-state in eastern Ukraine.
Innocent bystanders are killed in the Black Sea port of Mariupol. In besiegedDebaltseve, a woman scoops water from a giant puddle in the road. The rubble that was once Donetsk airport recalls a scene from martyred Syria. About 5,000 people have already been killed in this armed conflict, and more than 500,000 uprooted. Preoccupied by Greece and the eurozone, Europe is letting another Bosnia happen in its own front yard. Wake up, Europe. If we have learned anything from our own history, Putin must be stopped. But how?
In the end, there will have to be a negotiated solution. German chancellor Angela Merkel and foreign minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier have been right to keep trying diplomacy, but even they concluded in mid-January that it wasn’t worth going to meet Putin in Kazakhstan. On Saturday another attempt to agree a ceasefire failed in Minsk. Diplomacy’s time will come again, but it is not now.
We should ratchet up the economic sanctions against Russia. Combined with the impact of the fallen oil price, these are already having a significant effect. Despite a small wobble from the new Greek government, the EU last week kept its unity on extending sanctions. Won’t that feed a siege mentality in Russia? Yes, but then the Putin regime is stoking that mentality with its nationalist, anti-western propaganda. If the threat did not exist, Russian television would invent it.
Like Milošević, Putin is prepared to use every instrument at his disposal, with no holds barred. In his war against the west he has deployed heavy military equipment, energy-supply blackmail, cyber-attack, propaganda by sophisticated, well-funded broadcasters, covert operations and agents of influence in EU capitals – oh yes, and Russian bombers nosing up the English Channel with their transponders off, potentially endangering civilian flights.
There is a Polish saying which translates roughly as “we play chess with them, they play kick-arse with us”. (Dupniak, or kick-arse, is a Polish game in which people try to identify who kicked them from behind.) This is the problem of the democratic west in general and the slow-moving, multi-nation EU in particular. It was recently exemplified in a woefully unrealistic chess paper on strategy towards Russiaprepared for Federica Mogherini, the EU’s new high representative for foreign and security policy.
In the long run, Putin will lose. The people who will suffer most from his folly will be the Russians, not least those in Crimea and eastern Ukraine. But the long run for skilful, ruthless dictators in large, well-armed, resource-rich and psychologically bruised nations can be quite long. Before he goes, more blood and tears will flow unquietly down the river Donets.
So the challenge is to shorten that period and stop the mayhem. To do this Ukraine needs modern defensive weapons to counter Russia’s modern offensive ones. Spurred on by John McCain, the US Congress has passed a Ukraine Freedom Support Act which allocates funds for the supply of military equipment to Ukraine. It is now up to President Obama to determine the timing and composition of those supplies.
A report by a group including Ivo Daalder, a former US ambassador to Nato, and Strobe Talbott, the veteran Russia expert, identifies the equipment needed: “counter-battery radars to locate long-range rockets, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), electronic countermeasures for use against opposing UAVs, secure communications capabilities, armoured Humvees and medical support equipment”.
Only when Ukrainian military defence can plausibly hold Russian offence to a stalemate will a negotiated settlement become possible. Sometimes it takes guns to stop the guns.
Won’t such arms supplies further nourish a Russian paranoia of encirclement? Yes, but Putin is feeding the paranoia already, untroubled by the facts. He recently told students in St Petersburg that the Ukrainian army “is not an army, it is a foreign legion, in this case a Nato foreign legion”.
The EU could never secure unanimity on such military supplies. If at all, it would have to be done by individual countries. Although this may bring back the old jibe that “America does the cooking and Europe the washing up”, there is a case for the US doing most of the heavy military supply.
The US has the best kit, it is probably in the best position to control its use, and is less vulnerable to bilateral economic or energy-supply pressures.
The overall burden-sharing would be fair. European economies take most of the pain of sanctions, since they have more invested with Russia; they will provide a lot of the economic support Ukraine needs if it is to survive; and they are doing most of the diplomacy. In fact, McCain and Merkel make a perfect hard cop, soft cop combination.
There is one other area in which Europe in general, and Britain in particular, can do more. Broadcast media are usually classed as soft power, but they are as important to Putin as his T-80 tanks. He has invested in them heavily. Among Russian speakers – including in eastern Ukraine and the Russian-speaking minorities in the Baltic states – he has used television to impose his own narrative of a socially conservative, proud Russia threatened by fascists in Kiev, an expansionist Nato and a decadent EU.
Last year a Russianist of my acquaintance was sitting naked and at ease in the hot tub with a friend of his in Moscow after several vodkas, as is the Russian custom, when this highly educated Russian asked: “So tell me, honestly, why do you support the fascists in Kiev?”
We need to counter this propaganda not with lies of our own but with reliable information and a scrupulously presented array of different views. No one is better placed to do this than the BBC. The US may have the best drones in the world, and Germany the best machine tools, but Britain has the best international broadcaster.
And there is an appetite for it: the BBC’s sadly diminished online Russian-language service still has an audience of nearly seven million, and during the crisis its Ukrainian-language audience has tripled to more than 600,000.
In his excellent report on the future of news, James Harding, the head of BBC News, makes a strong commitment to growing the World Service. Immediately stepping up its Russian and Ukrainian offerings would be a good way for the BBC to show that it will put its money where its mouth is. Without compromising the BBC’s independence, the British government could also chip in some extra funding.
If ever there were people in need of accurate, fair, balanced information, it is Russians and Ukrainians today. None of these things will stop Putin tomorrow, but in combination they will work in the end. Dictators win in the short run, democracies in the long.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/01/putin-stopped-ukraine-military-support-russian-propaganda
@fromTGA So doing a degree at #Oxford doesn't include research just learning what your masters require http://philsreport.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/bbc-now-admits-armed-nazis-led.html … #SubmisiveVoid
@stacyherbert Vile #propaganda is the only way slaves like #TimothyGartonAsh
@fromTGA can fill their #SubmisiveVoid's http://philsreport.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/propaganda-always-wins-if-you-let-it.html …
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